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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's For the Many live.

Please be aware that flash photography is strictly encouraged because Ian Dale loves it.

And of course, we've got to make sure he doesn't fall off the stage.

He needs the light.

Please welcome your hosts, Jackie Smith and

Ian Dale. Well, welcome everybody to today's For the Many Live.

This is one of five shows that we're doing of For the Many.

Tomorrow we'll be welcoming Douglas Ross and Anna Sawa.

The day after, we'll be welcoming Kay Adams.

And on Sunday, we have Jeff Norcott and Rosie Holt.

And we'll come to today's guest in a minute.

But Ian, you had a busy day yesterday.

We were sandwiched yesterday between Nicholas Sturgeon and Jeremy Corby.

Now, there's a vision for you all.

It was quite a day yesterday. If I'm honest, I was quite nervous about it because we were doing, and then we had

Feedlova and Jane Garvey, as you say in the middle.

And Nicholas Sturgeon, I was nervous about because you can't win when you interview a politician like Nicholas Sturgeon, particularly, I think, at the fringe, where Twitter goes mild saying, you've got to skewer her, she's evil, etc, etc.

Are you thinking that's not what the fringe is all about?

I mean, it would be really awkward if you went and ended a hard-hitting forensic interview.

And that's not your style anyway. You get stuff out with people because of your... So I've apparently upset the cybernats and the so-called Britannats. So I'm hated by everybody, but there we go. Good place to be. Yeah. And then Jeremy Corbin. I never interviewed Jeremy Corbyn at all when he was Labour leader because Seamus Mill,

I think, regarded me as a sort of right-working fascist or something. But that was a really interesting hour. It really was. I'd say sort of all the ones I've done so far, that would be one

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