Ken Kishenda, welcome to the talk show, you're overdue.

A little bit, by how many years would you make it out to be?

Your book, oh, let me actually check the copyright date. 2018.

So what time of the year in 2018 did creative selection come out?

It was September.

It was September.

The third or fourth is our rule.

So what?

A three plus years late.

Because, and I call the show the talk show, and I like to think it is like a real talk show.

But the whole point of actual, most actual talk shows is that when you have a guest with something to promote,

if it's on the Stephen Colbert show or something like that, and there's a movie,

they'll have the actor come out right before or right when the movie first hits theaters.

Or if that would have made my publisher really happy, I can say.

The bright side of that, I tell you though, the bright side of the publisher was very happy with you,

because your link to the book was by far the best publicity that the book had.

There was a huge bump in pre-orders right after you linked.

And I tell you funny story about that is that I didn't know that was going to happen.

And my wife and I were in the car.

We were driving down the coast towards Santa Barbara for just a weekend getaway.

Maybe we can look back at the date. Maybe it was a Friday or a Saturday or something like that.

So we were going into a part where I was going to lose cell phone coverage.

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