What's happening people, welcome back to the show, my guest today is Robert Wright,

he's the president of the Non-Zero Foundation, an author and visiting professor of science

from religion at Union Theological Seminary in New York. Bob's book The Moral Animal has changed

my thinking more than pretty much any other over the last few years. So, naturally, I wanted to

bring him on to discuss whether aliens are real and how we can avoid existential risks.

For real though, expect to learn the role that evolutionary psychology plays in mindfulness practice.

Why Bob thinks that aliens are probably enlightened, how global coordination can be improved by

everyone meditating, whether we're doomed for civilizational collapse and much more.

Bob's been talking to some of the intellectual powerhouses from the last few decades since he's

been on the internet and he's got a wealth of experience. If you're not familiar with him,

then I highly recommend that you check out The Moral Animal. It really is a barn burner of a book

and it will make you view the world in a very different sort of way. But today was just a

a bro chat amongst bros, broing it out, you know, just doing what bros do. So, yeah, enjoy this one.

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