Marshall here, welcome back to the Realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.

So you probably noticed the past two episodes this week have been excerpts of

Soger and my Realignment Live event in DC last week.

So for today's episode, I want to close out the series with a conversation with Realignment,

fan favorite and repeat guest Frank DeStefano, Frank is the author of the Next

The Alignment and he was actually at the conference so it was great to catch up with him and get

his thoughts on the broad themes and what it means for politics moving forward.

This is definitely a hyper unstructured conversation that go a lot of places but

a lot of these thoughts are ones that Frank and I are having for the first time and it's

helpful to articulate them with a friend and someone who also is deeply invested in this topic

as well. Be sure to check the substack for expanded thoughts.

I should also note that tonight is the Breaking Points live show in Austin, Texas so I'm obviously

going to be there because that's where home is now but I'd also love to shout out anyone is

going to be there. Definitely come up and say hi. We'd love to hear what you all think about

everything we're talking about both tonight and of course on this episode. If all that's said,

we hope you enjoy the conversation and a huge thank you to Lincoln Network for sponsoring the podcast.

Frank DeStefano, welcome back to the realignment. Thanks for having me back Marshall.

Yeah, it's always great to chat with you. I was speaking with Representative Mike Gallagher

to the episode a few weeks back. He was stating that he's probably going to be the first

realignment guest to come back for his fifth appearance. I think you may end up beating him.

I think this is probably one, two, I think this is number four. I got to get one more in now before

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