The following is a conversation with Stephen Benel, also known online as Destiny.

He's a video game streamer and political commentator, one of the early pioneers of both

live streaming in general and live streamed political debate and discourse.

Politically he is a progressive, identifying as either left or far left depending on

your perspective.

There are many reasons I wanted to talk to Stephen.

First, I just talked to Ben Shapiro and many people have told me that Stephen is the

Ben Shapiro of the left in terms of political perspective and exceptional debate skills.

Second reason is he skillfully defends some nuanced non-standard views.

At the same time being pro-establishment pro-institutions and pro-biden while also being pro-capitalism

and pro-free speech.

Second reason is he has been there at the beginning and throughout the meteoric rise of the video

game last streaming community.

In some mainstream circles this community is not taken seriously.

Perhaps because of its demographic distribution skewing young or perhaps because of the

sometimes harsh style of communication.

But I think this community should be taken seriously and shown respect.

Because of young minds tune into last streams like destinies to question and to try to understand

what is going on with the world.

Often exploring challenging, even controversial ideas.

The language is sometimes harsher and the humor sometimes meter than I would prefer.

But I, Grandpa Lex put on my rain boots and went into the beautiful chaotic muck of online

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