Hello, scumbags, this is the scummy mummies podcast, with your hosts, Ellie Gibson and Helen Thorne.

Hello and welcome to the scummy mummies podcast. I'm Annie Gibson and I'm Helen Thorne. And our guest

today is Catherine Carr. Welcome to the podcast, Catherine. Thank you. Thank you for joining us here in our

glamorous, she said in quote marks, dressing room at the Cambridge Junction. Yes. I mean, as I was

it, it's more glamorous than most dressing rooms we have, actually, in that it's got a working toilet.

There isn't a smell of mildew.

There's fresh milk.

That's unbelievable.

I mean, this is what you would call a five-star dressing room, because we have been in much, much worse.

Yes.

And a five-star guest to go in our five-star dressing room.

Who are you, Catherine Carr? I am a producer, presenter,

and now author. I've worked in radio for 25 years and I've just written my first book

all about siblings. Ah, so why siblings? Because I'm the middle, so I wanted some attention is really

that's the line I geared. I'm the middle of three girls.

And at the beginning of the pandemic, I was on the phone to Jane Garvey. I used to work for a woman's hour on Radio 4, and I was chatting to her and saying, I want to make my own podcast. I don't know what I want to do it about. I've just been talking to my two sisters. They work for institutions, which were very, very dramatic. And I was like, I should just make a podcast about my two sisters.

And she said, don't do that. they work for institutions which were very, very dramatic. And I was like, I should just make a podcast about my two sisters.

And she said, don't do that.

That would be a bit intrusive and a bit boring for everybody else.

But you should make a podcast about siblings because did you know it's potentially the longest relationship of your life.

And I honestly sat up straight and thought, no one's ever put it like that before.

And the genes in our family, my grandma died at 99, mean, I can't do the mess exactly,

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