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Wrongful Conviction

#334 Jason Flom with Anthony Sims

Wrongful Conviction

Lava for Good Podcasts

True Crime

4.65.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

This is an updated episode that originally aired on September 21, 2021.

On May 18th, 1998, Charlie Winbush told her fiancé, Julius Graves, that a man named Li Run Chen, who worked at a Chinese restaurant in the neighborhood had touched her inappropriately. Graves replied that he would scare him. Later that day, Julius Graves, his fiancée's cousin, and another younger friend had a few drinks with Graves and his friend Anthony Sims as they listened to music by Sims’ car.

That same evening, Graves asked Sims to drive him to the restaurant where Chen worked and Sims agreed, unaware of any issue with Chen. They went into the restaurant when it is believed that Graves shot and killed Chen. In shock, Sims fled alone while Graves and the two younger men returned to his apartment, wiped the gun clean, figured out where to stash it, and began to conjure up a story to deflect blame from Graves and onto Sims. Consequently, investigators set their sights on Sims who was eventually sentenced to 25 years to life for the crime.

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0:00.0

Sometimes the pop culture we love just teens hits differently in retrospect.

0:03.8

Maybe it's a tabloid story we couldn't get enough of or an illicit student-teacher relationship

0:08.6

on our favorite show. We're Suzy Banna-Karim and Jessica Bennett,

0:12.0

posts of the new podcast in retrospect, where each week we'll revisit a cultural moment from

0:17.1

the past that shaped us and probably you to try to understand what it taught us about the world

0:21.7

and our place in it. You're the first person that I've talked to about this for years and years.

0:25.7

Listen to In retrospect on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows.

0:32.1

I'm Liz Flock. I want to tell you a story about how generations of trauma can lead to a point

0:37.8

of no return. In 2017 a black woman named Devon Gray killed her white boyfriend John Vance.

0:45.3

She says it was self-defense and he was incredibly abusive. But then she took a blind plea

0:50.3

for manslaughter and got 15 years. From lemon out of media, this is blind plea.

0:57.7

Available now wherever you get your podcasts. On his new podcast, six degrees with Kevin Bacon,

1:04.7

join Kevin for inspiring conversations with his friends and fellow celebrities who are working

1:09.9

to make a difference in the world like actor Mark Ruffalo. You know I found myself moving up

1:15.3

state in the middle of this fracking fight, you know, and I'm trying to raise kids there and you know

1:20.6

my neighbors like willing to poison my water. Listen to six degrees with Kevin Bacon on the iHeart

1:26.7

Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Evidence wise, we have personally

1:33.7

no evidence. In 1995, Detective Tony Richardson was trying to figure out who killed a fellow officer.

1:42.2

The case comes down to who is believed and who is ignored. Oh my goodness, we did come

1:48.4

into an innocent man. I'm Beth Shelburn from Lava for Good Podcasts. This is Ear Witness.

1:55.3

Listen to Ear Witness on the iHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

2:03.2

When we first released this episode on September 8th 2021, Anthony Sims had already spent

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