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The Michael Shermer Show

333. Kevin Kelly — ChatGPT, OpenAI, and Excellent Advice for Living

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2023

⏱️ 105 minutes

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Summary

On his 68th birthday, Kevin Kelly began to write down for his young adult children some things he had learned about life that he wished he had known earlier. To his surprise, Kelly had more to say than he thought, and kept adding to the advice over the years, compiling a life’s wisdom into the pages of his book: Excellent Advice for Living.

Shermer and Kelly discuss: protopian progress • ChatGPT • artificial intelligence; an existential threat? • evolution • cultural progress • self-driving cars • innovation • social media • putting an end to war • compound interest and the long term effect of small changes • why you don’t want to be a billionaire • beliefs and reason • setting unreasonable goals • persistence as key to success • probabilities and statistics, not algebra and calculus • investing: buy and hold • how to fully become yourself.

Kevin Kelly helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, among many other publications. His previous books include What Technology Wants, and The Inevitable, a New York Times bestseller. He is known for his technological optimism. Currently he is a Senior Maverick at Wired and lives in Pacifica, California.

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All right, everybody, it's. The Michael Sherman Shower

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All righty, everybody. It's time for another episode of the Michael Schmer Show

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It's your host the publisher of Skeptic magazine just to remind you this is what my day job is

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We are still in print unlike a lot of magazines you can actually go to a bookstore there it is on the stand usually next to

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scientific American National Geographic sometimes next in the New Age section, which is always amusing.

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And we are four color throughout now, so it's a really cool.

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Beautiful issue, yeah.

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And look at our new cover on economic matters.

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It's the economy monster being trying to be

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tamed by the Wall Street trader or whoever that guy is with some homeless people in

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the background and just ignore that part back there. Anyway you can subscribe by going to Skeptic.com and just

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click on the magazine and latest issue or any of the back issues going back 30 years

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to 1992 and or you can just pick it up at a bookstore.

1:02.6

And if you started in 92, that was almost the same time

1:05.3

Wired started.

1:06.0

So 30 years.

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Yeah, yeah, well, we never got as big as Wired.

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Wired as huge as you know.

1:10.6

Well, you were there.

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You were there at the founding. right? It's a tough business, you know, without...

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It is, and wired still on paper, so 30, this here to 30 years on paper.

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