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with Dr. David Bordor Giles.

Even the most conservative economist will tell you that capitalism requires unemployment,

structural unemployment, to keep inflation down.

The economy is based on some people not having work.

And what that means is we have a class system built into capitalism. We need some people to be a little bit hungry, a little bit desperate for work in order to

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