Good grief did I enjoy that conversation. Hi, it's the way I heard it episode number

331. This one is called Naked Volleyball and other strategic operations with I'm now going

to call him my friend, Stu Siegel. Chuck, he's an easy guy to like, don't you think?

Totally, man.

The first time that I connected with him, I couldn't get him off the phone.

We had a great chat, and he's full of stories, and he thinking about a show that I'm going to do one of these days called Drinking with Geniuses where I just sit down in a bar and have conversations with people who I think you should know.

And, you know, in some ways we try and do that on this podcast.

But this is a guy who you really just want to sit and listen to.

He's a producer in the TV business and not with a small

P. This guy has actually done it. He got Hunter made. He got Renegade with Lorenzo Llamas made.

And Hunter, of course, with Fred Dreyer. Silk stockings, like eight seasons of these shows.

This guy got his piece of the TV pie.

And I met him a couple of years ago because the business has changed radically.

And through a series of events almost too incredible to believe,

Stu Siegel turned his 20-acre production facility

down in San Diego into the premier state-of-the-art training facility.

It's called Strategic Operations, and it's where first responders and soldiers and any number of other agencies can go

to experience what's he call it hyper realism yes yeah and hyper realism where go ahead finish

your thought i didn't really have a thought i was just just free associating with the thing that brought us together,

which was an episode of Dirty Jobs a couple years ago.

Yes, that I happened to be at the shooting of.

You absolutely crashed that shoot.

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