I've tried to make things smaller.

I've learned that over the years.

I used to try to make things in one piece

and move these giant units

because it's so much easier to build it

and assemble everything in the shop.

But then you still have to move it in there

and get it up on the wall

and you're building scaffolding.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, our regular discussion with building industry

professionals. This is Senior Editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm joined by Cabinet Maker, Ben Scott, from Maple Ridge, British Columbia.

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Ben, thank you so much for being on the show.

No problem. Thanks for having me. Do you always

get up this early, dude? Not quite this early. I had to get up. I got up 45 minutes early today.

I would say this is still the middle of the night for you. Well, it's just turned 5 o'clock in the

morning. Well, thank you for getting up early and sharing your time with us.

It's my only chance really to do it other than it would be too late for you guys.

So like after work would be nine o'clock or when my kids go to bed.

Yeah, Jeff and I start drinking by that point and it would be a different show.

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