I knew we'd won.

And I'm never optimistic like this with court cases.

I've been in too many where the jury or the decision has gone the wrong way.

But I knew we'd want.

Do you think this is the last cry of the kind of trans misogyny?

These misogynists have not changed their minds one bit.

None of them thought that trans women were women or trans men are men.

Everyone knows that's not true. They've wanted to call us particular words and stop us from getting a bit above our station

and they couldn't because that wasn't cool.

But they can now, well, at least they could.

This is the beginning of the end.

Hello, welcome back to the Brendan O'Neill show with me, Brendan O'Neill, and my special guest this week, Julie Bindle. Julie, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much, Brendan. It's a pleasure. I can't believe it's taken this long to get you on my podcast. I feel quite ashamed of that, actually.

Yeah, I figured you'd been no platforming me or something.

Yeah, joining all the trans people and not giving you a platform.

That's right.

I'm very happy that we can rectify it today, not least because you've got this excellent

new book out, which is called Lesbians, Where Are We Now?

I love that title.

Although I think it could just be called Lesbians, which would be maybe even more fantastic.

Yeah.

But it's a good question as to where lesbians are right now.

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