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Welcome to Crawl Space. I'm Tim here today with Lance Lance. How are you today?

I'm doing fantastic today Tim because I'm excited to have our listeners experience the guests that we have on today.

It's a fascinating person, makes your laugh, makes you just shake your head and disbelief, and Tim, I am shaking my head and disbelief because you haven't told me how you're doing today.

Thanks a lot for asking Lance. I am doing great.

I am really excited about our recent couple of conversations with Matt Cox of Inside True Crime.

One of those conversations was here and we're going to play it in just a moment.

We had a lot of fun talking to Matt about his life, his history in crime, in actually committing fraud and being incarcerated for 13 years.

And then Lance, we also spoke with Matt on his show called Inside True Crime. And you can find that at youtube.com slash Inside True Crime, or you can just go to InsideTrueCrime.com.

And something that makes this conversation very unique is that Matt ultimately takes full responsibility for the crimes that he committed as a mortgage broker.

It was bank fraud and mortgage fraud and he borrowed millions of dollars. He was caught. His prison sentence was 26 years, which he did 13 years of.

He takes full responsibility for it, says if he had the opportunity to go back and do it all again, he was like, of course I wouldn't.

It makes no sense why I would do it again, but he loves talking about it. And he does it in such as animated way that you can't help but just find him endearing.

Because he's done his time and he's essentially paid his debt to society. He tells his story, but he also has people come on his show to tell their story.

And it is educational. And he's written a bunch of books. He took the stories of the people that he was incarcerated with sat down with them, had them tell him their stories so he could write the book as a way to advise people on the less glamorous side of being a criminal.

He reminds me of that movie catch me if you can Lance and the character Frank Abignail where he could kind of like figure out any situation and the FBI had no choice but to like get him to work with them to help plug loopholes and holes in things like that.

I feel like Matt would be useful in that realm too. He's got a very successful YouTube page. And I seem very content in doing that. And I appreciate what he does. He's a great storyteller. I enjoy talking with him.

And I think everybody is going to enjoy listening to this and taking what they will from it. But Tim, if I wanted to listen to this with no ads, what would I do?

Great question Lance. You could actually go to crawlspace.supportingcast.fm and you could sign up for our ad free service. We're also coming to Apple subscriptions pretty soon, but I'm not sure if that's going to be available by the time you're hearing this, but it will be soon.

And you can find it ad free there as well Lance. Please follow us on social media at crawlspace podcast or crawlspace pod.

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