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MBA that's London.edu forward slash MBA. Welcome to the rest of this politics leading with

me, Rory Stewart. And me and Mr Campbell. And our guest today is Mustafa Suleman. And Mustafa Suleman

is famous for being one of the people right at the heart of the AI, the artificial intelligence

revolution. He is co-founder of DeepMind, which was the big revolutionary company that did some

of the very early work. He's now co-founded another major AI company. He's probably one of half a

dozen or a dozen people in the world who are at the center of all these changes. But he's also

actually, I think very interesting for listeners. In other ways, he's comes from a working class

background in London, Muslim background, father Syrian. And during the course of this interview,

we will of course talk about AI and some of his anxieties about the threat that AI poses.

But we will also talk about a young man who left university after a year to set up a Muslim

youth helpline who worked for Ken Livingston, the Mayor of London, obviously had very left-wing

politics in his youth. And the way in which he reconciles his position now as this very, very

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