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James, I have covered or directed coverage of a number of different presidents with different policies, different people, and different priorities. One thing they shared.

In times of emotional trauma crisis,

they sought to uplift or unify the country.

Ronald Reagan after the Challenger Space Disaster.

Bill Clinton after the Oklahoma City bombing.

George Bush after 9-11. Barack Obama at Mother Emmanuel Church after nine parishioners were killed.

Donald Trump, by contrast, is trying to use the assassination of Republican influencer Charlie Kirk

to divide us even more, to exacerbate bitterness, to make it

worse. He and J.D. Vance and Stephen Miller are really stirring hate, revenge, and Trump went so far

...