I wanted to have you on because you've been like me a Mac user as long as you can remember probably right.

Yeah well I mean I'm not that old so I can remember times you know I was a little bit late as far as like the the Mac like Apple quote-unquote faithful.

I did not really get into max until I was about 16 but.

Is because I had this like long storied childhood son of a software engineer very nerdy explorative software engineer so I did the whole.

Amiga various like unique systems.

All that stuff and then somebody showed me a Mac and I was like oh yeah it was such a great feeling because.

To come not from a situation where the Mac was offered to me in any like I wasn't spoon fed the Mac by my parents by my dad.

Especially he was like anti apple and famously came around to apple but.

I really came to the Mac like totally honestly like on my own.

Found it said yep this is for me and to come from like a unique send Amiga background and say you know what I want to have this like.

The machine that people say is less powerful is a toy etc etc something about the.

The interface the forgiveness of the Mac interface forgiving as I guess i'm.

I just said this is for me and I jumped right on about 16 15 16 years old and so now.

Given my actual age it's about 30 years ago so 30 years of the Mac so I guess that counts as almost as long as I can remember but.

That's that's definitely a lot longer than most people for me I think I've told the story I'm sure I have I mean we're like this I just entered in the notes this is episode 327 of the podcast so I'm sure I've told the story before I mean she's 326 episodes I'm sure i've gotten to it but.

For me i'm a little bit I think i'm a little bit older new but for me in in my high school years the apple to.

Was the shiznit right like and it was it wasn't that I didn't see that the Mac was I wasn't against it.

But I was sort of against the way that the Mac was a level abstracted from the machine right like.

The one of the things that people of our age who remember actually like the apple to being a viable computer is that it it it really did put you right at the machine right and it was it was and what I remember very very specifically was.

I say very specifically but I don't remember now if it was 11th or 12th grade but I think I think it was 12th grade and I had a programming course at my high school and it was just me and one other kid and they called it like advanced placement programming or whatever and there was only one Mac and dash but there were several apple to g s's and I loved the apple to g s which was sort of the.

The Macintosh inspired version of the apple to is the the you know the last and greatest apple to and there was Macintosh inspired apple to g s I think they even just called it the desktop do you remember that.

Sort of but I was I was an amiga kid at that time and so when you say apple to g s speaking up with this room in this sense the first thing that comes to mind is apple to go slow that's what.

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