Nila, we always talk once a year on my show.

This is my favorite traditions.

It's a post-eye interview, Cougar Hing.

It's a little late, but you know, the Apple schedule on the phone

skips around September, October, whatever, you know.

There's also just a lot to talk about besides the fence.

There's an endless amount of Apple stuff going on.

There really is. I'm curious though, in its kind of interesting, I always like the...

I shouldn't say that I like the cool-off period.

It's that I hate the, okay, you have six days to review this phone

and try not to miss anything and try to let it settle in.

It's interesting to me to keep talking about it.

This to me is why podcasts are awesome.

After the iPhone 13s are not necessarily old news, but you know,

they're not the hot freshness.

I'm curious what you think overall.

I think they're great phones.

And you know, there's that debate about the names and what they should

call them, the 12-S.

Right.

And my big takeaway is that in many ways, for one particular reason,

which I'll say, this is the phone the 12 should have been.

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