Welcome all. This is the fourth and final talk of this Tech Freedom Policy Summit.

Once again, I am Corbyn Barthold, Internet Policy Council, here at Tech Freedom.

I also happen to be the host of the tech policy podcast, and this

is doubling as a special live tipping of the show. I'm pleased in honor to be joined by Quinta

Jurecic. She's a fellow at the Brookings Institution, a senior editor at Lawfare, a contributing writer at the Atlantic, and more as if that weren't already enough.

Two major themes of this event have been, first, the decline of trust in experts and institutions, and second, a concomitant rise in populism, demagoguery, and extremism.

Behind both of these themes lies the disconcerting possibility that the Internet is helping

drive this recrudescence or renaissance of what Philip Roth called Indigenous American berserk. Quinta and I are going to

close things out by looking at these subjects through the lens of the January 6th hearings,

the interplay between extremist groups and social media, and some of the emerging and

disturbingly asymmetric threats to democracy. Quinta, welcome.

Thank you for having me.

Thank you so much for being here.

Let's just dive right in and start with the January 6th hearings.

Incredibly important and informative event in, I would say, the history of American society and governance.

And yet at the same time, I have kids and I don't get a lot of sleep and I've got a job.

And so I think I'm like a lot of Americans where I'm like, oh, man, I should be watching some of that.

And, you know, I've got a life to lead.

So if you could start by giving us, and this is such a mean way to start a brief recap, and, you know, what is going on there and why does it matter?

Sure, absolutely. It's an easy question.

Good.

In all seriousness, what the committee, I think, has been doing with, I would argue, pretty

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