Hello, friends. It's the way I heard it episode number 325. This one is called America's Founding Son. And Chuck, if you hadn't already sat through this conversation, would you know who America's founding son was? No.

I don't think most people would.

In fact, I'd never heard the expression before until I came across a podcast called Founding Son, which is essentially the very digestible story of John Quincy Adams and his somewhat remarkable place in history as our sixth president.

I found this podcast because my friends over at School of Humans, which is a production company that I've been working with for years, produce a bunch of podcasts, and they said,

my friend Chad said, Mike, you should talk to Bob Crawford. I'm like, that sounds familiar. Why don't

I know who he is? He says, well, have you heard of the Avet brothers? I said, yeah, the musicians.

He said, well, he plays bass for them. Chuck, had you heard of the Avet brothers prior to this?

No.

Okay.

We've really got to get you out more, out into the public sphere.

Yeah, you're just asking me all the wrong questions, Mike.

These are not good questions for me.

I don't like these questions.

All right.

So two things that you need to know as you strap in and prepare to enjoy this conversation.

Three, actually. The first is Chuck doesn't know anything about music or history. The second is our guest, Bob Crawford, knows a great deal about both. The Avid brothers have been nominated for Grammy Awards. I think they probably won a few. They've sold a bunch of albums.

They're terrific.

And they've been around playing music now for well over a decade.

And there's an amazing documentary.

Have they been 20 years?

Yeah, 20 plus years.

Yeah.

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