Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Oh, Oklahoma, where the wind comes, sweeping down the plane.

Why am I singing about Oklahoma?

Because I'm in Oklahoma right now.

Welcome to Free For All Friday here on the Council of Trend Podcast.

I'm your host, Cava Gansher's Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn.

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Now onto the subject of today's episode.

So I am in Oklahoma right now.

I'm with my lovely wife, our lovely children.

They're playing with their lovely cousins.

And I am here interviewing my lovely in-laws, my wife's sister and her brother-in-law, Max

and Andrea Lubitz.

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