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Ryan Holliday, welcome a friend.

Thanks for having me. So we know Ryan from The Obstacles the Way, which is the book that my sons have

read like a couple of times out. Thank you for that. Ego is the enemy. Trust me, I'm lying, which is, again,

you predicted everything that's going on in the media today.

Did you ever imagine you have a president in there

using the same techniques?

No, I felt like I was pretty pessimistic

with that book, and I don't think that was even close.

Can you, I thought it would not happen or would not?

No, I mean like I thought things would get bad. I didn't necessarily predict it going in the sort of dystopian nightmare that we're currently

living in sort of politically and colloquially.

Not just to make a statement about Trump, I just mean generally, like trust in the media all time low, trust in politics

all time low.

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