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The Talk Show With John Gruber

322: ‘It Was More Arial Than Helvetica’, With Rene Ritchie

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.63.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2021

⏱️ 124 minutes

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Summary

Rene Ritchie returns to the show for a recap of this week’s “California Streaming” Apple Event: the iPhones 13, Apple Watch Series 7, and new iPads. Also, last week’s decision in the Apple v. Epic lawsuit.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Renee, I feel like before we get to yesterday's event,

0:02.8

which was, am I correct? Was that yesterday?

0:06.7

Yes, I had to look at the calendar, but yes, it was.

0:10.1

Before we get there, I haven't done a show since last week

0:13.6

when the Iván González Rodgers issued a ruling in the epic

0:17.8

apple case, and I do not want to spend a lot of time on this

0:20.3

because I do not have a lot of insight to add.

0:22.9

But I will say that the very most curious thing about it is how

0:27.6

incredibly wide-ranging the interpretations of the injunction

0:31.6

against apple are.

0:34.1

From the companies and from the pundits.

0:36.4

So it's a short one-page injunction.

0:38.6

It's that whole thing about blah, blah, blah,

0:41.6

and metadata buttons.

0:44.6

People aren't quite sure what the hell a metadata button is,

0:47.0

which isn't what she meant.

0:49.2

No.

0:50.2

I guess on the one side is I will throw Nílai Patel under the bus,

0:58.2

and he's, he had a piece at the verge with a sort of maximalist

1:04.1

interpretation of it, which is that if you're,

1:06.6

if they're not alive, if apple is no longer allowed to prohibit

1:11.0

companies from directing users to external payment methods

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