It's time for episode 32 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, November 27th, 2019.

Clockwise, four people, that just pardoned 12 turkeys.

Gobble, Gobble.

I am one of your co-host, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across the internet by my co-host,

the one and only, well, I don't know if that's true, but certainly the coolest, Dan Morin.

Okay, thank you. I will take the coolest. There is a Dan Morin somewhere who is a DEA agent,

so he might be cooler than me. That's pretty cool. But I'm just going to say, I'm going to say no.

I'm going to say no. I am happy to report that we are joined by two incredible guests. And to my left is

the tech analyst who I love to follow for all of her thoughts, especially on Twitter, as well as the heart of tech

founder. It is Carolina Milanese. Hello. How are you? Good morning. I'm very well. Oh, so happy to

have you here with us. Very exciting. And to my left, a returning guest, the design lead at Shopify and the co-host of

the Layout podcast. It's Kevin Clark. Welcome back, Kevin. Hello. I'm very happy to be here.

We're glad to have you back. And I am glad to kick things off because, as you know, we've got four

topics, 30 minutes, and here's mine. The California DMV turns out they're making bank by selling personal

data. This was a story that kind of showed that, you know, the DMV has all this information,

and to supplement their income, they are selling some of that data. And I kind of just want to know,

were you surprised to hear that this was going on? Or is it just expected at this point? And it

kind of just blew past you. And then what are the implications of that? Carolina, we'll start

with you. I was surprised, but I think that? Carolina, we'll start with you.

I was surprised, but I think I was more surprised that I was surprised.

I think so being a foreigner, so I, you know, I'm Italian, I lived in the UK.

The DMV was one of my first experiences in California when I moved here. Exactly. Yeah.

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