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Okay, so Denver, I think we got a good sense for your, you know, a high-level summary

view of how you view the restoration. Just let's, let's at a high-level talk

about from Brigham to now, and if you could give just a high-level how you see the church

evolve, and when you started seeing some of the influences and policies being introduced

that may have been important contributors to the mess maybe we're in now, I would love

to hear you talk about it, and you've talked about four phases or something like that.

I don't know if that's the right framing for this question, but hopefully get a sense

for what I'm asking.

Well, yeah, the second phase of Mormonism began at the death of Joseph Smith, and it lasted

really, the second phase, we clarified a bunch of problems, including what do we do now

that both Joseph and the Hiram are dead, and how do we perpetuate the institution in

an existence that will allow it to survive? We figured that out, but the second phase

largely is defined by the plural marriage issue, and it ends when the practice of plural

marriage ends publicly in 1890, and then privately in 1904 with the second letter of

President Joseph Smith actually ending the practice. The third phase of Mormonism,

okay wait, what was the important, what was it about that phase that was important or distinctive

for you? Well, in that second phase of Mormonism, what the church was really trying to do was

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