everyone, it's read. These next several episodes are going to be dedicated to the study and

illustration of the white Christian evangelical movement in America and what it means for our

politics. We've got some experts, some very thoughtful people, some authors who are all going to

help us walk through exactly what's going on, how this church operates, and what it

means for our democracy. I hope you enjoy listening as much as I did interviewing. And now,

on with the show. Welcome back to the Lincoln Project.

I'm your host, Reed Galen.

Today, I'm joined by Tim Alberta, an award-winning journalist, best-selling author, and staff writer for The Atlantic.

Prior to the Atlantic, he served as chief political correspondent for Politico, and over the course of the past decade

has reported in Washington for the Wall Street Journal, the Hotline, National Journal, and National

Review. His latest book is The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, American Evangelicals

in an Age of Extremism, which is available wherever fine books are sold. Today, he is coming

to us from Michigan.

Tim, welcome to the show.

Hey, Reed.

Thanks for having me.

Okay, so I read your book and Tim, I want to ask, I saw a little bit of parallel,

which is, you know, you grew up in an evangelical household.

I was born into the Republican Party.

And for the first 35 years of my life, it was all I knew.

Right? And then someone like Donald Trump came along.

So as you have explored this since, you know, the passing of your father and the widely reported story from the beginning of your book about, you know, people coming up to you, they heard what, you know, Rush Limbaugh said about you. Do you still consider yourself part of that movement? Do you still

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