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Hello, Empire Podcast listeners, Anita here.

Look, this episode is going to be one perhaps if you're of a delicate disposition

or you've got small children or even slightly bigger children who don't like

gory story.

You may not want to listen to it with them.

Anyway, just a friendly warning.

On with the show.

Hello and welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnain.

And me, William Duremple.

And we have got the most Anitaish story ever in this episode.

Yes.

And I don't apologise for a second about that.

It really is, actually.

This one tickled every nerve ending in my body.

And not always in a good way, can I tell you?

Because in this third of our series on photographers who changed the world, we are looking at a woman. Shock horror,

that's why I'm so excitable. You almost certainly have never heard of her, but this is a woman

who took on a European king and she won. And her name was Alice Seeley Harris. And I bet you've never heard of her, have you, Willie? I've never heard of it. No. I know, funny enough, the photograph she took, as is often the case in the photographers of this series, just like half the pictures that Cash took. Absolutely iconic photographs. But I had no idea he took them. And ditto the

horrific pictures which Alice Seeley Harris took. It's just so often the case. And this is the

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