What is going on? Welcome to the Exodus podcast this week. We have another mashup episode from some previous conversations we've had with Keith Cisco, Tony Peterson, and John Iberhard. We're talking about a variety of things here to make your December better. I hope you guys really enjoy this. I want to say thanks

to everyone that has left a written review or had supported us throughout this year. Got some great

savings for Black Friday. Just want to say thank you so much. We greatly appreciate it. Couldn't do it

without all of your help. So I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. The first leg of this conversation

is with Heath Sisko from an episode we did last year. Heath has the nickname Iceman. It's for a reason because he is very effective late season and he breaks down some key things that maybe people do wrong, some things to consider. And if we get some weather to cooperate, this can be an excellent time to fill that buck tag that is still in your pocket. So hope you guys enjoy this, and then we're going to lead into Tony and then John Iberhard talking about the

second rut. Here we go.

Why aren't most people killing a late-season buck, in your opinion? What are a lot of people doing wrong in your opinion? For one, you've got to hunt food. I mean, it's all about food. And they've got to have a secure place. It depends on how bad the weather is. If the weather's really severe, they want a south-facing slope. They want to bed close to food. They'll move out of their normal areas, depends on what the

pressure is, and they'll move closer to food and stage up there close to food. And probably the reason

people, most people weren't successful is their access. You know, you can't go in and push a bunch

of deer. You've got to be able to slip in and slip out. Usually when you hunt a food source,

you've got one opportunity unless you got a great access. You get in and slip out. Usually when you hunt a food source, you got one opportunity

unless you got a great access. You get in and if you blow the field when you're coming out,

the mature bucks, I mean, you may have a bunch more does come out in the small ones, but the

mature bucks are going to shy away from it. They're going to hold off back in the timber or whatnot

until light fades. And then hunting weather, different weather conditions. I like this

front. We just had through, come through the west, you know, right before Christmas, this big

polar vortex or whatever they called it. You know, several of my friends call, I think it's going to be

good hunting, you know, in southern Ohio, before the storm hits. And I looked at the weather and, you know, it's supposed to

rain most of the day, being the 40s, and then being the 40s up until about 10 o'clock a night,

and then the bottom was falling out of it. So I told them, in my opinion, it wasn't going to be any

good at the beginning, the first day, because it was raining all day, overcast, dreary,

and the temperatures were still high. That night, the temperatures were going to fall out. We were supposed to give a couple inches of snow, and the next day, the sun was going to come out a little bit, but it wasn't going to get above like 11, 12 degrees. So my opinion was that the next day was the day to be hunting. And I had one friend went out the next day and killed a good buck and my cameras were on fire that

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