Hi, I'm Sarah and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast.

Each week we take a topic to do with work and we share some ideas and some actions that we really hope will help you,

and it does always help us, to navigate all of our squiggly careers with that bit more confidence, clarity and control.

And this week is one of our Ask the Expert episodes where we're going

to be talking about learning with David Erickson. David wrote an article in 2015 and me

realising that made me feel very old called Doing by Learning. And this is an article that I

come back to all the time. I regularly refer back to and reread.

I recommend to someone, I think at least once a week. And one of the things that always really

struck me about this article about how we learn, how we go about learning, is that David

is the founder of an organisation called Hyper Island. And their quest, their sort of mission,

he describes as how to teach people about things we yet didn't know anything about.

And I think that remains as relevant and as useful today as it was back in 1995 when

they created Hyper Island.

And this idea of learning by doing, he explains as something

called learning through reflection on doing. And it's not necessarily an easy thing to get

your head around, but I think it's worth us all spending some time understanding and thinking

about and reflecting on what does that mean for me and my day to day. If we all want to be

work in progress, if we want to all be learning tools, what are we actively doing to make that happen?

And I really, I'm so glad that after so many years of almost feeling connected to David and his work through reading it and rereading it, that we had the chance to have this conversation.

He's been on my list of experts I wanted to talk to for a very long time.

And our conversation didn't disappoint me.

So I think it's a really great mix of asking some big questions of ourselves,

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