Leading up to and afterwards, this guy did his best to add some level of sophistication.

Was it enough to get away with it? No.

It was within the first two weeks that they knew about this Hyundai Alontera, the White Hyundai Alontera.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worse case. I'm your host, Francie Higgs, former state and federal prosecutor and executive producer and brighter of audibles breaking justice.

I'm going to introduce one of our favorite guests, one of our favorite guests.

I'm really thrilled to have one of our absolute favorite guests because we have an important topic. Let's introduce one of our favorite guests.

Francie, thanks for having me on today. James R Fitzgerald, Fitz for short. I always put the R in air because there's a few other Jim Fitzgeralds in the bureau and we get confused with other people or with each other sometimes.

So yeah, Profiler, Forensic, Linguist, retired, about 15 years now out of the bureau but still very busy working cases domestically internationally and trying to stay on top of things in the media.

So there are certain cases come across even tragic ones like I know what we're going to be talking about today and I try to help out to walk the viewers and listeners through just what may be going on in the investigation itself.

Well, I think there's a couple of other names you might also be known by in addition to the ones that you've said in addition to Fitz and Profiler and Linguist.

I know by legend, but also more importantly by Jim Fitzpatrick.

Oh, yeah, thank you. Scott Duffy. His real name is Sean Duffy. I was really quick thinking that as we were signing off. Hey, thanks, Scott.

But if you have there's some clips out there I did involuntarily grimace when he did that. And I saw TV and my face kind of what who was that gymnast remember a few years ago she got came in second and I think carry

a drug. Yeah, and she has no, no, Michelle Moroni, Michelle Moroni, I know she kind of even had fun with it afterwards and some ads she did not. So that was kind of me, but now it's fine. It's I've been called worse in life than Fitzpatrick. So no big deal there.

So Fitz, this case everyone's talking about it, especially today there's so much news this week and today in the terrible quadruple homicide that happened in November mid November of last year of 2022 in Idaho in a college town for college students were just brutally killed in a rental property.

And lots of people have been questioning basically lots of people were saying what the hell the police been doing well, of course now today we are finding out exactly what the hell the police and all the investigative team were doing so I wanted to talk to you Fitz about some of the developments today and really talk to you especially about what it says to you behaviorally because I think this is one of those cases.

Frankly, it's like child abuse cases. I feel like as a prosecutor or even just as a human being, you can almost and I say that very very importantly almost understand some crimes right there's some crimes that make sense to you there's crimes of passion, there's you know fights that get out of hand.

There's even you know thefts and other things to feed your family when you're starving or you're you know looking for shelter and you break in somewhere so some of these things I've always thought even some murders like you understand the motive at least you get it.

But this kind of slaying this this quadruple homicide like child abuse I don't understand I do not understand what it takes for someone to do something so horrific in what we and a lot of our colleagues and friends have said was something obviously planned I mean it wasn't you know one of those things where one roommate kills another inside a house right and

that's actually that's just happening today horribly in Utah where a father has killed it might have happened last night but a father has killed his wife his mother-in-law and his five children and then himself.

You know so you understand that that sort of an internal thing horrific and you cannot understand I cannot understand that guy's actions but I also can't understand someone who can slaughter for people so can you just sort of start kind of with a basics for us fits and then we're going to go through the

development state but can you start with the basics or what for me is basic what kind of person can murder seven people with a knife.

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