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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

314. Consciousness, Chaos and Order | Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 December 2022

⏱️ 109 minutes

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Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Dr Jordan B Peterson and Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris delve into the world of psychedelic research, their utility in therapy, and the impact they can have on neuroticism. They also explore broader aspects of psychopathology, brain imaging, optimized play, and the way trauma can warp our perspectives of the world. Robin is the Ralph Metzner Distinguished Professor in Neurology and Psychiatry and Director of Neuroscape’s Psychedelics Division at the University of California, San Francisco. He moved to Imperial College London in 2008 after obtaining a PhD in Psychopharmacology from the University of Bristol. Robin has designed human brain imaging studies with LSD, psilocybin, MDMA and DMT, and several clinical trials of psilocybin therapy for severe mental illnesses. Robin founded the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London in April 2019, was ranked among the top 31 medical scientists in 2020, and in 2021, was named in TIME magazine’s ‘100 Next’ – a list of 100 rising stars shaping the future. His research is creating system-level change in mental health care. - Sponsors - Express VPN: Get 3 Months FREE of ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/jordan Birch Gold: Text "JORDAN" to 989898 for a FREE Goldback with every $5000 purchase, when you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a precious metals IRA with Birch Gold by December 22nd. Black Rifle Coffee: Get 10% off your first order or Coffee Club subscription with code JORDAN: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Exodus 90: Is it time for your Exodus? Find resources to prepare at https://exodus90.com/jordan. - Links - For Dr. Carhart-Harris: Twitter: https://twitter.com/RCarhartHarris Website: https://neuroscape.ucsf.edu/profile/robin-carhart-harris/ - Chapters - (0:00) Coming Up (1:00) Intro (2:50) Implicit learning (7:52) Tuned perceptions, warped vantage points (12:00) Rebirth, rapid new learning (16:00) Alcoholism, unlearning pain (20:22) Neuroticism, Freud, and the disconnect (24:00) Cascading depression (30:10) Functional depression (35:30) The source of psychopathology (46:48) The psychedelic experience (49:47) Genetic mutation, error correction (53:30) Micro and macro environments (56:33) The multitude within (58:39) Pageau, optimized play (1:04:00) When play is absent from the system (1:07:25) Depth of play, levels of engagement (1:09:55) Local minima (1:13:29) Psychedelics and antidepressants (1:17:40) Creative surging under influence (1:21:30) Every benefit has a cost (1:23:32) Terrance and Dennis McKenna, false positives (1:26:15) Paranoid Schizophrenia (1:29:26) The feeling of confidence vs. uncertainty (1:33:33) Exposure therapy, building up bravery (1:35:00) Brain imaging, mapping experience (1:38:40) Entropic brain principle (1:40:00) Between order and chaos, Marduk (1:44:16) Signatures of criticality, the Alpha Rhythm // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.co... Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-... Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m... // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson Telegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPeterson All socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus #podcast

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0:00.0

Hello everyone watching and listening on YouTube and Associated Plotforms. I'm continuing my

0:19.8

investigation today into the domain of cognitive neuroscience with a bit of a side 4A into

0:25.3

psychotherapeutics and the use of psychedelics in psychotherapy with some attention paid to

0:31.3

associated implications for analysis of brain function. I'm pleased today to be talking with

0:39.0

an outstanding researcher in that in those joint fields. Dr. Robin Carrhard Harris is the

0:46.9

Ralph Metzner Distinguished Professor in Neurology and Psychiatry and Director of NeuroScapes

0:53.2

Psychedelics Division at the University of California San Francisco. He moved to Imperial College

1:00.2

London in 2008 after obtaining a PhD in psychopharmacology from the University of Bristol. In 2009, under

1:07.3

the mentorship of Professor David Nutt, he relocated to the Imperial College to continue FMRI

1:13.1

research with his psychedelic drug psilocybin derived from what have been known culturally as

1:19.3

magic mushrooms. In conjunction with Dr. Nutt, he built up a process of psychedelic research that

1:27.1

includes functional magnetic resonance imaging and mag imaging with psilocybin FMRI imaging with

1:33.9

MDMA and plans for a MRC sponsored clinical trial of psilocybin as a treatment for major depression.

1:40.3

He was awarded an MA in psychoanalysis at Brinnell University London and a PhD in psychopharmacology

1:47.9

at the University of Bristol. He has designed human brain imaging studies with LSD, psilocybin MDMA

1:56.3

and DMT and several clinical trials of psilocybin therapy. He founded the Center for Psychedelic

2:02.9

Research at Imperial College London in April 2019, was ranked among the top 31 medical scientists

2:10.5

in 2020 and in 21 was named in Time Magazine's 100 Next, a list of 100 rising stars shaping the

2:19.4

research future. I wanted to start this conversation by asking Robin about his thoughts about the

2:26.5

relationship between categorization and implicit learning and heavy in learning, all of those things

2:36.4

together. The way I've been thinking about it, tell me what you think about this, is that we have

2:43.3

to impose a structure of perception on the world in order to even perceive it. Our perceptions

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