313. Perspective in Learning
Brave Writer
Julie Bogart and Melissa Wiley
4.8 • 927 Ratings
🗓️ 12 November 2025
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
What if the key to helping your kids love learning is simply seeing the world through their eyes?
In this episode, we explore perspective as the secret sauce of education and connection. We begin with Steven’s unforgettable appreciation letter to UPS (and the jaw-dropping chocolate response!), then move on to practical ways to help kids imagine other points of view—through microscopes and magnifying glasses, collaborative storytelling, fan fiction, and rich books that stretch their empathy. We also talk about “wasted” time, sandbox learning, and why pleasure matters more than performance.
Listen in and choose one new perspective shift to try with your kids this week.
Resources:
- Discover the adventure of self-directed learning with Unschool Adventures! And hear more from founder Blake Boles on the Brave Writer podcast
- Visit our “Tools for the Art of Writing” page in the Brave Writer Book Shop
- You’ll also find Julie’s beloved math manipulatives and Dogsbody, Melissa’s favorite Diana Wynne Jones book, there!
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- Visit Julie’s Substack to find her special podcast for kids (and a lot more!)
- Purchase Julie’s new book, Help! My Kid Hates Writing
- Brave Learner Home: bravewriter.com/brave-learner-home
- Learn more about the Brave Writer Literature & Mechanics programs
- Start a free trial of CTCmath.com to try the math program that’s sure to grab and keep your child’s attention
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Connect with Melissa:
- Website: melissawiley.com
- Substack: melissawiley.substack.com
- Instagram: @melissawileybooks
- Bluesky: @melissawiley.bsky.social
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| 0:49.8 | Welcome back, everyone, to the Brave Writer podcast. |
| 0:53.0 | I don't know if you're like me, but I am chomping at the bit to hear. |
| 0:57.6 | Did Stevie get a special treat from UPS after he wrote a thank you note? |
| 1:03.5 | Now, if you don't know what I'm talking about, Melissa, I mean, Melissa knows, but if you're listening and you don't know what I'm talking about, you have to go to the last episode of the podcast where we talked extensively about the joy of writing thank you notes to companies and how they are so thrilled to hear from happy customers. |
| 1:24.7 | Sometimes you get a treat in the mail. So Melissa, set the stage and tell us what |
| 1:30.3 | happened. So last week I shared how I had gotten contacted by someone at UPS's executive response team. |
| 1:40.2 | Stephen had written a letter and it got passed up the chain and customer service to like the top. |
| 1:45.3 | And they tracked me down through our address and gave me a call to say they would like to send him a treat because his letter was so meaningful. |
| 1:56.3 | Oh my goodness. |
| 1:58.3 | I was not expecting. |
| 1:59.8 | I guess I was thinking they would probably send like some UPS swag. |
| 2:03.8 | Yes, like stickers or a hat. Yes. No. They sent this tower of gourmet chocolates, like boxes, multiple boxes of hand-dipped, like, chocolate-covered rice, |
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