312: ‘Not to Get Zealotrous’, With Craig Mod

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.6 • 3.6K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2021

⏱️ 156 minutes

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Craig Mod joins the show to talk about writing, designing, filmmaking, what makes for good software, and building a successful membership program to support independent art. And: pizza toast.

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0:00.0	Craig, mod, welcome to the talk show for the first time, right?
0:04.5	Please tell me I'm not forgetting.
0:07.3	Definitely the first time.
0:09.8	300 and some episodes in, I'd start to worry.
0:15.7	It's crazy, man.
0:16.9	I can't believe you've done 311 of these things.
0:19.9	Yeah, especially at my pace.
0:21.5	Oh, yeah, 30 years of podcasting.
0:26.9	You'll get there.
0:28.9	But I've been meaning, you and I've been pals for a long time.
0:33.2	I suspect that more than usual on my show, there might be a fair number of listeners who
0:39.8	are not familiar with you or maybe only tangentially so.
0:44.9	I mean, I certainly linked you on during fireball semi-frequently, but you're not part of
0:49.7	the regular Mac Punditry crowd.
0:53.8	So tell everybody about yourself a little.
0:57.9	I never do.
0:58.9	I always just tell people I'm a writer.
0:59.9	That's a to sum up.
1:01.9	I like that.
1:02.9	I like that answer too.
1:03.9	I don't, I actually don't know where you were raised somewhere in America, right?
1:10.3	Yeah.
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