#312 - MK Ultra Expert on CIA’s “Truth Serum,” Assassination Program, & JFK Files | John Lisle

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🗓️ 20 June 2025

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PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey (***TIMESTAMPS in Description Below) ~ John Lisle has a Ph.D. in history from the University of Texas, where he is now a professor of the history of science & expert on CIA's MKUltra Experiments. JOHN's LINKS: X: https://x.com/JohnLisle WEBSITE:https://johnlislehistorian.com/ FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey ****TIMESTAMPS**** 00:00 – MKUltra, Tom O’Neill, Stanley Lovell, OSS, WW2, Napalm Bats 10:01 – Brainwashing, Truth Serum, Sidney Gottlieb, Ewen Cameron, Clean Slate 17:53 – OSS to CIA, Allen Dulles, Louis Jolyon West, False Memories 30:41 – CIA Secrecy, MKUltra Hidden, Structural Flaws 39:21 – James Schlesinger, CIA “Family Jewels,” Plausible Deniability 47:18 – John Kiriakou, Joby Warrick, Ford CIA Slip, Assassination Program 58:17 – Operation Midnight Climax, George White, Gottlieb-Lovell Link 01:08:19 – MKUltra Origins, 149 Subprojects, Frank Olsen Death 01:24:47 – Animal Experiments, LSD Insanity, KUBARK Manual 01:38:52 – Mind Control, CIA Interrogation, JFK Files 01:49:43 – Counterculture, Hippie Movement, Jolly West, Helter Skelter Debunked 02:04:12 – Jack Ruby, Jolly West, CIA & LSD Motives 02:14:03 – Library of Congress, Archives, MKDelta, Family Jewels, Lumumba Plot 02:25:29 – Gottlieb Retirement, MKUltra Regret, Female Patient Breakdown 02:35:47 – Intelligence Agency Evil, Child Victims, Operation Fantasia 02:43:45 – History of Science, Isaac Newton, Alchemy 02:49:56 – Paradigm Shifts, Conspiracy, Cults 03:00:31 – Galileo Trials, Catholic Church CREDITS: - Host, Editor & Producer: Julian Dorey - COO, Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 312 - John Lisle Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	We know a lot about MK Ultra, a lot more than people think we do. And I looked at some of the
0:04.2	experiments they were doing. Sydney Gottlieb hires George White to hire to slip Ellis to their unwitting
0:09.9	clients while George White is watching behind a one-way window, drinking martinis that he bought off
0:14.2	CIA funds. The idea is we want to determine whether this is a kind of truth. Will it make these
0:19.0	people spill their secrets? And then Project 94, Animal experimentation. What are they trying to do here? I mean, it worked.
0:24.6	At the end of the documents, it says our ultimate goal is to apply this to humans, basically,
0:28.9	which is obviously like assassination attempt. And at one of these experiments at Deep Creek,
0:32.3	Sidney Gottlieb and his underling Robert Lashbrook, another chemist, they decided we're going to dose everyone with him. And see what happened.
0:38.3	Frank Olson is one of the people who got the F.D. that night.
0:40.3	Shots for everyone.
0:41.3	The rooms start spinning.
0:42.3	They start seeing hallucinations.
0:43.3	They start laughing uncontrollably.
0:44.3	And then they go to sleep.
0:45.3	But he can't.
0:46.3	He seems to have some kind of psychotic break. 2.30 in the morning, he jumps out the window and he dies. Actually, one of the more moving cases,
0:54.7	it was called Operation Fantasia. Have you heard of this before? Fentasia? So,
0:58.8	Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star
1:04.3	review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Okay, Ultra guys here.
1:18.8	That's right.
1:20.5	I'm a little afraid what we're going to find out today, John.
1:22.7	Well, it's going to be some interesting things that I can, that's the least, you know.
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