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Hi, welcome to Havliss Podcast. I'm Hav Havala, your host, and today we are having a conversation

about women in leadership, but particularly around the topic of women that lead together in work spaces and ministry spaces and of course I can't do

that on my own I have to bring in a real life friend and someone I work with Jenizant

thank you for being here thanks for having friend. You guys know her as the habit lab queen and she

teaches all things habit labs, all things behavioral patterns and how to actually create morning routines and

even routines, she's that person.

But the coolest part is that we started a friendship almost 10 years ago,

which is mind-boggling.

That's wild.

We can't be that old. No, I know. And then we, I watched her own

own her own business and run that successfully. I was working for another ministry and then

we did treat the table and then about a year ago a half ago maybe a year ago we had a conversation about could we work together could we do some things together and so this year has been a real learning attorney of working together one of the reasons I wanted Jenna to come and work with

us is that I loved her strength. I loved her. I said I don't want women that are just

working for me. I want to work with women. I want to learn how to work with alphas that can actually

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