From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 309 today's show is brought to you by Square Space, Pingdom, and Door Dash.

My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snell. Hello, Jason Snell.

Hello, Mike Hurley, how are you?

I am fine and dandy, my friend.

We have an action-packed upgrade episode today,

but considering it's so action-packed,

I'm sure that there will be many listeners

who will have lots of strong opinions about this episode.

So our hashtag Snell Talk question from Marleys, who submitted this in the Relay FM members discord,

ties into this perfectly.

Marliz wants to know, Jason.

Do you ever talk back to podcasts?

Hmm.

Well, I think, yes, any good podcast, gender some connection

and then you end up talking back to it from time to time.

Yes, I do that. I just did that the other day. I joke about how I agree with almost

everything that Marco says on ATP, but Marco was talking about Big Sur the other day

while I was listening and I was in the shower because I listened to podcast in the shower and if you'd been

standing outside the shower door you would have heard me say no no wrong so yes I do

that I absolutely do that. I tend to also just when I speak back to

podcasts exclaim in some way good or bad right? Yeah well I know I do a lot of

laughing and all of that but yeah I occasionally do like, you know,

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