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That's what I'm talking about the power of a gospel. Everybody's a cool thing of a happy. They went fire. Welcome to the You are not so smart Welcome to the You Are Not So

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So precisely the types of the tactics and distancing that a lot of people thought was the way to be a good person is undermining

our ability to persuade each other to be good people. You know, even if whoever we disagree with

has the wrong idea, shaming them or distancing them or trying to be a deterrent by putting our relationship on the chopping

block is not going to work.

That is the voice of Monica Guzman, our guest in this episode, who is the author of the book.

I never thought of it that way.

How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.

A wonderful book with very practical advice on how to have better conversations in a polarized political environment from both sides and how to have better conversations

in general. In short, how to learn from those with whom we disagree and how to establish the

sort of dynamic in which they will eagerly learn from us as well. And she should know because she is the senior fellow for public

practice at Braver Angels. What is that? Here's Monica. So Braver Angels is the largest

cross-partisan organization working to depolarize America. So we're taking the biggest darn

mission you can imagine and actually giving it a shot.

You're really trying to save the world.

They really are.

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