I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

their story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody, and you are listening to the Soberforce podcast.

And I'm joined today by the Reverend Dr. Ben Gosden.

Hi, welcome.

Hey, thanks for having me. You're welcome. Now,

can I call you Ben? Yeah, please. Ben has written a book called Grace Rediscovered, and I just

thought, I'm just going to tell you, I get tons of people like soliciting me to come on the

podcast, but yours kind of stood out

because I just thought what an interesting story about, well, you tell us, what's the book about

in a nutshell? Yeah, so the book, I wrote it two and a half-ish years into sobriety.

So now I've just celebrated my third sober birthday.

The best way to probably describe the book is it became a cathartic experience for me to try

to share my story, which is one of the things where we learned to do in recovery, that part of the gift of

recovery is to share it with other people. I'd have to say from the outset, it comes from a

Christian perspective because I'm a pastor, but that's not to say that there aren't many things

in there that couldn't be applicable to people of all traditions and spirituality leanings.

But it delves into the overarching sort of framework really is the 12 steps, you know, especially the first three.

And then I kind of talk about topics in broader senses like forgiveness and how to grow your

own prayer life and spiritual life and how to make amends with other people,

how to right size your life, you know, things like that, some of the basic tenets of recovery.

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