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I've dream that you were twisting through seven suns of gold

and the gypsy was insisting.

Their story must be told.

I came two in the morning,

but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody, and you are listening to the So Before podcast, and I'm joined today by the Reverend Dr. Ben Gosden. Hi, welcome. Hey,

thanks for having me. You're welcome. Now, can I call you Ben? Yeah, please. Ben has written a book

called Grace Rediscovered and I just thought, I'm just going to tell you, I get tons of people like

soliciting me to come on the podcast. But yours kind of stood out because I just thought what an

interesting story about, well, you tell us, what's the book about in a nutshell?

Yeah. So the book, I wrote it two and a half-ish years into sobriety. So now I've just

celebrated my third sober birthday. The best way to probably describe the book is it became a

cathartic experience for me to try to share my story, which is one of the things where we learned to do

in recovery, that part of the gift of recovery is to share it with other people. I'd have to say

from the outset, it comes from a Christian perspective because I'm a pastor, but that's not to say

that there aren't many things in there that couldn't be applicable to people of all traditions and spirituality leanings.

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