People don't quite understand what the point of this stuff is.

One, it's fun.

It has some fun.

So if you don't like it,

fuck you.

Yale.

Yeah.

Yale.

So when did you graduate?

2010.

Okay.

What did you study?

Political science. Oh, okay. Yeah. I wanted to do like business, but it was like liberal art school. So that was like the closest to like something I was, you know, somewhat interested in. So wait, take me on that journey then from like Yale to the teams. Where did you grow up? Grew up in Indiana. Okay. Yeah, so just Midwest guy got to go to Yale. You know, I was planning on doing the Navy out of high school. That was the plan. I was talking to recruiters like, you know, like they would like come to high school and like they have a little booths like at lunch and stuff. And I'd always be the guy like, you know, talking to them like the whole lunch break but uh so i was planning on doing out of high school and then um football was progressing so like

my parents were kind of like,

hey, why don't you go get your education? And then if you still want to do that thing, then you can, you know, go do it. And for me, it was 9-11. I was in eighth grade when 9-11 happened. And that's planted the seed to like serve.

So I was like, all right, that's fair deal.

So I got to go play football there for four years.

And then I actually went and worked for Red Bull for four years, did marketing for them, which was awesome. Honestly, a lot of, I think, of what I've been able to do with Born Primitives from stuff I learned from them, like brand marketing, like they're the best in the game. And so I started working for them while I was kind of rehabbing some football injuries. And the plan was to go in and then a bunch of family pressure. They were like from I was married at the time. So her side. And then my parents were like so against it. Mainly my mom. My dad was kind of indifferent. So I ended up kind of shelving it for a while and then be like, but then I just was occupying my mind just 24

so I started like kind of secretly training again for it like sneaking away to the pool and like

you know tying myself up you know and doing all that stuff like you know I mean I remember one time

my my wife at the time Mallory who's the co-founder of born primitive um she like found like wet rope

in my gym bag and was like what why like, wet rope in my gym bag.

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