#305 A Conversation w/ Jonah Goldberg – Recorded Live at Word of South Festival 2024
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 29 April 2024
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
Jonah Goldberg is one of America's most well-known conservative intellectuals, with a resume that includes more than two decades at The National Review, twelve years as a commentator on Fox News, and two New York Times Bestsellers. In recent years, however, the changing definition of "conservative" in American politics has put Jonah at odds with the party that they once called home. In this episode, recorded live at Word of South Festival in Tallahassee, Florida, Jonah joins Ben & Bob for a discussion that ranges from the history and politics of the Supreme Court, to the Constitutional Convention, to the reasons that Jonah thinks that journalists should avoid becoming friends with politicians. We also discuss Jonah's reasons for leaving Fox News after more than a decade as a Fox contributor, as well as his decisions to co-found The Dispatch and join the team at CNN.
To hear more from Jonah Goldberg, check out his podcast, The Remnant, or pick up a copy of Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics is Destroying American Democracy. You can also find out more about his work and speaking engagements at his website, JonahGoldberg.com.
This episode was recorded live at Word of South Festival on April 27, 2024. Ben & Bob would like to give special thanks to WOS founder Mark Mustian and the other WOS organizers for the invitation, to Rick & Linda Hyson for the hospitality during our stay in Tallahassee, and to Florida State University for sponsoring the event!
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This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Ben Sawyer and this is the road to now. |
| 0:08.5 | Today's episode is a wide-ranging conversation with Jonah Goldberg. |
| 0:12.5 | You might know him from CNN, The Dispatch. |
| 0:14.8 | He's the host of the Remnant podcast. |
| 0:16.8 | This conversation was recorded in Tallahassee, Florida at the Word of South Festival on April 27th, like 36 hours before it is airing on our feed. |
| 0:25.5 | And Bob and I just wanted to say a special thanks to everyone at that festival for having us. |
| 0:29.8 | Mark Muschen, the founder, was a delight all of the organizers. |
| 0:33.3 | Thanks to Rick and Linda Heisen for the hospitality during our stay down there. |
| 0:37.1 | And to Florida State University for sponsoring this during our stay down there, and to Florida |
| 0:37.9 | State University for sponsoring this event. And of course, thanks to everyone who showed up to be in the |
| 0:43.1 | live audience. This was a blast. If you're in that area, 2025, you should go check out |
| 0:48.9 | Warda South Festival. So thanks to everyone there. Now on to the conversation. |
| 0:55.6 | We're real excited to be here with you all today. |
| 0:58.2 | We want to thank the festival for asking us to be here and to be here with Jonah Goldberg. |
| 1:04.3 | We're real excited to talk to him. |
| 1:06.1 | So thank you all once again. |
| 1:08.7 | You know, Ben and I have a podcast, The Road to Now, and we just finished an eight-part series. |
| 1:13.8 | Nine, nine-part series on third-party, the history of third-party candidates and also Rans. |
| 1:20.4 | It was third-party candidates and also Rands. |
| 1:23.3 | And we started in 1824. |
| 1:26.8 | That election featured John Quincy Adams, William Crawford, no relation to me. |
| 1:33.8 | Henry Clay, who was the Speaker of the House at the time, and Andrew Jackson, a man who kind of made a mark on the state of Florida, especially this part of Florida. |
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