From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 304 on today's show is brought to you very kindly by Pingham, Linode, and

Bombus.

My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by Mr. Jason Snell.

Hi Jason Snell.

Hi, Mike Hurley, what a week it's been.

Oh, yeah, I know.

Big, like about as big a week as weeks can be, it's been the last week.

Really big exciting stuff, we've got so much more to dig into.

Like you know I feel like after W.W.C. on our last episode I felt like oh that was a big W. W. D.C. But then there has been a lot of stuff

that's happened since as well. That was literally one thing had happened last week.

One thing that was so much. So much. Not even the state of the union let alone four more days with

hundreds of sessions just the one thing and I felt like yeah well this was a big

week on Monday morning and we're gonna get into some of that but I think we'll just say we're out at the top.

We have a big interview coming later on in this episode.

So we're going to talk about some of the little extra things that we found out about

W.W.C.

But later on in the episode, we're going to be joined by Bob Borchers and Ronak

Shah from Apple's Product Marketing team and we're going to be talking about MacOS Big Sur and

Safari, so I'm really, really excited to bring that interview to our

gradients. Yes indeed we talked to them last week they were at Apple Park it was

very exciting and we will be playing that later.

But before we begin, I have a hashtag snow talk question for you from Stephen.

...