304. Magic Maker with Pam Grossman!
Tarot for the Wild Soul with Lindsay Mack
Lindsay Mack, founder of Tarot for the Wild Soul
4.9 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 16 November 2025
⏱️ 73 minutes
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Summary
Legend alert! Today we have the luminous and divine Pam Grossman on the podcast to speak about her brand-new book, Magic Maker (available for purchase here!)!
Pam is a dream and a joy, and it was such a gift to speak with her about everything from the unassuming magic of growing up in suburban NJ, to working with The Magician card as a muse for the writing process of Magic Maker, to the importance of art, creation, and craft in devastating times (and so much more!).
About Pam:
Pam Grossman is a writer, curator, and teacher of magical practice and history. She is the host of The Witch Wave podcast (“the Terry Gross of Witches” - Vulture) and the author of Magic Maker: The Enchanted Path to Creativity, Waking the Witch: Reflections on Women, Magic, and Power, and What Is A Witch. She is also co-editor and co-author of the WITCHCRAFT volume of Taschen’s Library of Esoterica series. Her writing has appeared in numerous mediums, including The New York Times, The Atlantic, and Ms. Magazine. Her group art shows and projects, including the blockbuster exhibition Language of the Birds: Occult and Art, have been featured by such outlets as Artforum, The New Yorker, and Art in America. She is also co-organizer of the biennial Occult Humanities Conference at NYU.
Pam is a frequent speaker at venues such as MoMA: The Museum of Modern Art, Columbia University, and IFC Center. She has appeared in numerous witchcraft documentaries including All of Them Witches (AMC) and WITCH (BBC), and she consults regularly for film, television, and brands in the esoterica space. Her workshops on spellcraft, creativity, and occult history have been attended by thousands of students around the world. More at PamGrossman.com
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PAM'S LINKS:
Website: PamGrossman.com
The Witch Wave Podcast: https://witchwavepodcast.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/witchwave
Purchase Magic Maker, Pam's new book!
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PODCAST EDITOR: Chase Voorhees
PODCAST ART: Rachelle Sartini Garner
Honoring and acknowledging that this podcast episode was recorded on the unceded land of The Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde, currently called Portland, OR, with the deepest respect to the Kalapuya Tribe, Cowlitz Tribe, and Atfalati Tribe.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Tarot for the Wild Soul, a podcast that explores the tarot through an inclusive, soul-centered, trauma-informed perspective for growth, healing, and evolution. |
| 0:17.6 | I'm your host, Lindsay Mack. |
| 0:20.0 | Hello, loves, and welcome back to Tara for the Wild Soul |
| 0:22.5 | podcast. It is so, so wonderful to be gathered here with you. Thank you so much for gathering |
| 0:28.5 | here with me. We have a major drop today, a major episode. I am talking on the podcast. This has been years in the |
| 0:39.3 | making, a dream guest for so many years, somebody who I adore, have admired, look up to, |
| 0:47.1 | am continually blown away and inspired by, we are in conversation with the absolutely legendary |
| 0:53.6 | Pam Grossman, author of Waking the Witch, as well as many other books, and the brand new magic maker, the enchanted path to creativity, which is out right now. |
| 1:06.1 | It blew my fucking head off my shoulders. |
| 1:09.2 | Like, if you're listening to this, truly stop everything. |
| 1:13.0 | Like, you need this book. It's incredible. Um, so yeah, a little bit about Pam. |
| 1:19.3 | For those of you who don't know her, because probably you do. But if you don't, you're in for |
| 1:24.9 | quite a treat. So Pam Grossman is a writer, curator, and teacher of |
| 1:29.2 | magical practice and history. She is the host of the Witchwave podcast and has been called |
| 1:35.3 | The Terry Gross of Witches by Vulture magazine. And is the author of Magic Maker, Waking the Witch, |
| 1:41.4 | and What is a Witch? She also is the co-editor and co-author of the Witchcraft |
| 1:46.8 | Volume of Tashan's Library of Esoterica series. Her writing has appeared in numerous mediums, |
| 1:53.0 | including The New York Times, The Atlantic, and Ms. Magazine. Her group art shows and projects, |
| 1:58.2 | including the Blockbuster Exhibition, Language of the Birds, |
| 2:01.8 | occult and art, have been featured by such outlets as Art Forum, The New Yorker, and Art |
| 2:08.4 | in America. She's also the co-organizer of the biennial Occult Humanities Conference at NYU. |
| 2:15.3 | Absolutely incredible. Absolutely remarkable. Again, Pam and I really get into just such |
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