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304: Heretics

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🗓️ 10 March 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

The story of Reverend Carlton Pearson. He was a rising star in the evangelical movement when he cast aside the idea of hell and, with it, everything he'd worked for over his entire life.

  • Carlton Pearson's church, Higher Dimensions, was once one of the biggest in the city, drawing crowds of 5,000 people every Sunday. But several years ago, scandal engulfed the reverend. He didn't have an affair. He didn't embezzle lots of money. His sin was something that to a lot of people is far worse: He stopped believing in hell. (2 minutes)
  • Act One: Reporter Russell Cobb takes us through the remarkable and meteoric rise of Carlton Pearson from a young man to a Pentecostal Bishop: From the moment he first cast the devil out of his 17-year-old girlfriend, to the days when he had a close, personal relationship with Oral Roberts and had appearances on TV and at the White House. Just as Reverend Pearson's career peaked, with more than 5,000 members of his congregation coming every week, he started to think about hell, wondering if a loving God would really condemn most of the human race to burn and writhe in the fire of hell for eternity. (30 minutes)
  • Act Two: Once he starts preaching his own revelation, Carlton Pearson's church falls apart. After all, when there's no hell (as the logic goes), you don't really need to believe in Jesus to be saved from it. What follows are the swift departures of his pastors, and an exodus from his congregation—which quickly dwindled to a few hundred people. Donations drop off too, but just as things start looking bleakest, new kinds of people, curious about his change in beliefs, start showing up on Sunday mornings. (23 minutes)

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0:00.0

I'm W.B. E.C. Chicago, it's This American Life.

0:03.0

Mrs. Triner, can you hear me okay?

0:05.0

Yes, I can.

0:07.0

What were your in-laws doing in the building?

0:09.0

This is the Larry King Show, the day after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995,

0:13.7

his guests are a young couple,

0:15.1

atriners, who lost their relatives in the bombing,

0:18.2

and a young charismatic preacher.

0:20.0

Joining us from Tulsa is Reverend Carlton Pearson who spoke at yesterday's very moving

0:25.9

prayer service.

0:27.3

What do you say to people like the Triners?

0:29.9

Well, Brad already mentioned his faith in God, and I said yesterday that experience

0:35.9

is not only what happens to you, but what you do with what happens to you.

0:39.9

Carlton Pearson, at the time that he talked to Larry Larry King was a rising evangelical mega star

0:44.2

a Republican activist who prayed in the Bush Senior White House a guest on the 700

0:48.5

club host of a national TV show he traveled all over the world and chartered jets

0:52.4

lecturing to fundamentalist gatherings.

0:55.0

But at the height of his popularity, he became involved in a scandal.

0:59.0

They're not in the kind of scandal that you usually think of when you hear the word scandal.

1:02.0

He didn't have an affair,

1:03.2

didn't embezzle money, he didn't admit an addiction to prescription painkillers.

1:06.9

No, no, none of that. He stopped believing in hell. And what happened to him next was the kind of thing that happens from time to time here in America.

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