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Let's face it with most people here, the word Lutheran. If they recognize the word at all, if anything comes to mind,

it is a church body that is presently shrinking, it is mired in basically a compromise with progressive culture,

and it has long ago abandoned any fidelity to scripture or to the biblical gospel.

What's it like to know that reality from the inside out?

Welcome back to Issues at SETERA, I'm Todd Wilken. It's Issues at SETERA Reformation Week, our theme paths to Lutheranism,

joining us describe his path from a liberal Lutheranism to confessional Lutheranism.

Pastor Jared DeBleck, he's former member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the married father of two children,

and associate pastor of University Lutheran Church in West Lafayette, Indiana.

Jared, welcome.

Thanks for having me, Todd. Looking back at your former church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America,

and looking at it now, did you ever think it would get as bad as it had?

That's a really great question. I've been separated now from the ELCA for about almost a couple of decades,

actually when you guys asked me to come on and talk about this, I was kind of a surreal reflection point,

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