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Welcome back to the Curb Siders, the internal medicine podcast that uses expert interviews

to bring you clinical pearls and practice changing knowledge.

I'm Dr. Shreya Trevetti, here with my co-host Dr. Leo Witt.

And you'll hear from our dear friend Dr. Matt Watton a little bit.

And the reason why you'll hear Matt in a little bit is because this episode was originally

recorded about a year ago, pre-pandemic, hard to even imagine what that time was like.

And I'm really surprised that when I listen back to the audio, so much of this episode

is still very relevant today, mid-pandemic.

We're going to give some present day context to the episode and then share with you some

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