We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

I'm Emily Gisinski, Culture Editor here at the Federalist.

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Today, I'm really honored to be joined by Kristen Wagner.

She is the CEO and President and General Counsel of Alliance Defending Freedom.

She also argued the successful case 303 creative.

You likely remember we talked a lot about that a couple of weeks ago.

But Kristen, thank you so much for joining the show.

And congratulations on that case.

Well, thank you and thanks for having me.

Of course, great ADF victory.

And you also argued masterpiece for ADF and for Jack Phillips.

I want to get into all of that because there's an interesting sort of arc from from masterpiece to 303.

But maybe the best way to start here is just if you could tell us a little bit about how you and ADF ended up connecting with Lori Smith.

Well, Lori Smith had a front row seat to the aggressive prosecution by Colorado of Jack Phillips and masterpiece cake shop.

And that began in 2012.

And Lori wanted to be able to expand her website business into creating custom wedding websites that promoted her face view of marriage, which is marriage between a man and a woman.

And as she was watching what Colorado was doing with Jack Phillips.

And she told her pastor that she was planning to expand her business into wedding websites.

Her pastor was actually the one that connected her to alliance defending freedom.

He said, you know, I'm concerned that what's happening with Jack Phillips and masterpiece cake shop that you would be putting yourself in legal jeopardy.

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