Hey, Jeff. Hey, Eric. How are you? I'm pretty good. How are you? Doing well, thank you. I bet there's a lot of

people who are tuning in for the first time and are like, hey, who are these guys? It's the real.

And the answer is we're a two-man operation. We are totally self-made. We are a dozen years into our

career. We do a lot of cool stuff. And on this podcast, we've had 300 plus guests

stop by and have a fun and engaging and different type of conversation. And just so you guys know out

there, we don't take ourselves too seriously. We do like to think of this as a real profession and we take that

seriously. But at the end of the day, we're not like, oh my God, you know. The podcast is.

Yeah, we have to get this major guest to get this many listens. No, it's just do we put good

product out there? Are we happy at the end of the day and

hopefully some people tune in and can get something out of this conversation so now we have to

pivot and talk to the people who actually tune in week after week and explain why we would have

Russ on the podcast yeah I guess that that is the question because if if the opportunity came to

someone like us, but not us, to get Russ on the podcast, there is an easy answer. It's like, yes,

Russ, the guy who, you know, has had these crazy interviews where it's like back and forth and battling

and you get a big headline out of it. Okay, cool. Yeah, you can, you can sell that. And the other thing

is to be like, well, fuck him. No, I don't want that type of conversation. But the more interesting

thing maybe is to do neither one of those yeses.

What?

Or not the yes and not the no.

I still don't know what that means.

The interesting thing is to have the conversation that Russ has not had before.

Right, which is what we did.

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