Hey there, friends, and welcome to episode 301 of Just the Zoo of Us.

This week, I am joined by a very special guest.

He is a wildlife veterinarian and filmmaker and science communicator,

and he is here to tell us all about Australia's masters of song, the liar bird.

We discuss bird watching drama, the ancient origins of songbirds, vocal anatomy, secret

passwords, oral history, and cultural memory passed down through generations and the ghosts

remembered in bird song, and so much more. Just the Zou Us presents Liar Birds with Dr.

Caesar Pusmurin. Hey there, everybody. This is Ellen Weatherford. Welcome to Just the Zoo of Us, your favorite animal review podcast. I am so excited this week to have a brand new friend to talk with y'all. This is Caesar Puyushmerin. Say hi, Caesar. Hello, Ellen. Thank you so much for having me. This is amazing. I'm so excited.

Caesar, what are your pronouns? Oh, he, him. Thank you so much. We are global right now. This is wild. Are we, we're not quite antipodal, but... Oh, I think, yeah, well, this is Antipodian, yeah, for sure. I think, um, I thought we were going to hold the illusion that I'm in your house at the moment, in your studio.

Yeah, you made a quick John.

Yeah, yeah your studio.

Yeah, you made a quick John. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I love the idea that, you know, my budget is increased enough for me to visit the Pacific Northwest. But sadly, no. I mean, as you pointed out before, they started recording, I'm in my pantry. Which is my professional studio. I was supposed to say it would be way better if I actually made the trip

to you and was recording live from your pantry. That would be fantastic. Yeah, there's enough space

in here, weirdly enough. There's a lot of dried pasta. Oh, it's a good environment. Sorry. Caesar

has a two-person pantry. Wow. That's how we...

This is a high-budget operation. Wow.

That's actually how we traditionally measure success in Australia is how many people you can

fit in a pantry. It's like, yeah, two-person pantry. Oh, I see you also hate the metric system.

I can relate to that. Yeah, yeah, you would love that over there, right?

The Americans love measuring it in anything except the metric.

Caesar, you are joining us from Australia.

You are a birder and a podcaster and a filmmaker and have been in the past a wildlife veterinarian.

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