Hey, reply all listeners. This is Alex and I'm actually coming to you with a podcast recommendation.

If you like our show and you like gimlet shows and you feel like you need more great stuff to listen to,

then I cannot recommend Deaths X and Money more highly. Deaths X and Money is a podcast that's hosted

by our friend Anna Sale and it's really good. She has this crazy superpower where she can get

people to be honest with her in a way that is very, very rare. This week's episode is all about

siblings and how they get under your skin. My siblings and our are barely speaking.

For whatever reason, I find it harder and harder to get them to say anything towards me.

You would tell a stranger to check out more than you would tell me.

And I'm not really sure why he suddenly looked at me with such a disdain.

It's a tough thing because man, we were so close. I listened to this episode this morning and I can

attest to the fact that it is a very heavy listen. And in some ways it hit kind of close to home.

Anyway, check it out. Deaths X and Money. Subscribe on iTunes or find it at

deathsexmoni.org. We'll put a link to it in our show notes. All right, enjoy the show.

When the cops first showed up at the scene, it seemed like I completely routine death.

On the night of May 22nd, 2000, a man had died of a heart attack,

alone in his basement apartment in Noble's Phil, Indiana, a suburb of Indianapolis. His name was

Robert Hokem. Robert Hokem was the successful founder of a local internet service provider and a

beloved member of the Noble's Phil community. He was a multi-millionaire known for his fondness

for racing cars and being charitable with his money. But all of that began to unravel the moment

that Lieutenant Tom Madden of the Noble's Phil Police Department examined Robert's driver's license.

Back then, we were just in Indiana, it was just changing from kind of the paper licenses.

They're somewhat paper plastic to plastic licenses. And he had one of the older licenses,

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