It's the Brian Larry Show on WNYC.

Good morning again, everyone.

We're in our 30 days, 30 issues and 30 days election series, and we are up to Lucky Issue number 13,

how to regulate e-bikes, scooters, and mopeds for public safety

and still respect the ability of delivery workers to make a living and not be harassed by the police.

The station reported on Monday, maybe you heard it on our newscasts,

the horrible story of a 60-year-old woman killed Monday morning after two people riding on the same e-bike slammed into her along a popular bicycle route near the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

According to the story, bystanders at the scene said they're growing increasingly concerned about speeding e-bikes

along the bike lane on Flushing Avenue there, noting that e-bikes moving at high speeds

have become a common sight in the neighborhood. Here's a local resident named Juan Santana

who commented to our reporter. It's too fast. You see, that one, 40, 50 miles. It's so large. It's similar of the car.

That excerpt from our WNYC and Gotham, a story on Monday's fatal crash. In our 30-issues

series, we've been addressing some issues with explainers and some with debates. This will be more on the

debate side, an exchange of views with our two guests, Nicole Jelinea, senior fellow at the

Manhattan Institute, a contributing editor to City Journal, a columnist at the Post, and the author

of the book, Movement, New York's Long War to take back its streets from the car.

And Lihua Ualpa, who is the executive director of the Workers' Justice Project

and co-founder of Los Deliveristas Unidos.

So welcome back to the show, Lillia, and Nicole. Welcome back to WNYC.

Good morning, Brian.

Thank you. And let's start with some stats and see if you both agree as we try to assess the risk.

Nicole, you were here during the primary to talk about transportation issues, and you cited a stat that there

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